Hello brethren, This is something I've pondered, having recognized that the godless culture and society is stacked against men as being the head of the wife. God does not command men to force a woman into submission to his authority, the same way Jesus does not force his Bride to obey him. It must be a wilful decision to do what he commands us to do and we should be joyful to do so! As also should a wife be to her husband.
I would suggest that if a virtuous woman of God truly wanted to be married to a man of God, then she should enter into a legal covenant with him, giving him legal guardianship over her decisions, so that he can rule his house biblically without her interference. That is NOT to say without her input. A wise man will seek to please his wife and not to be a tyrannical lord, but to be a loving lord caring for the things of this world how he may please his wife.
My thoughts toward legal guardianship are to be a means by which a genuinely submissive women would yield her power to her husband the way that the husbands have always had power over their wives until western society ruined the family structure.
There are still some countries today where women are not allowed to make decisions like having their tubes tied without the verified consent of her husband, father, brother or uncle. I think that's a great thing. 🙂
I'm actually being serious about this suggestion to require a prospective wife to willingly sign over legal guardianship to a prospective husband. After witnessing hundreds of families destroyed by the women's liberation movement, feminism and the legal system which has evolved to put the man under the woman with the full force of the government, legal guardianship seems to be one plausible solution to hold a family together. I'm open to hear other suggestions for plausible solutions from men of God.
It should be obvious that in holding any resemblance of a traditional, biblical family worldview, I repel more than 90% of women here, which claim to "fear God," love God," "put God first" and "follow Jesus." I'm okay with that. Peace should never be compromised for companionship.
I have much more to share along these sorts of topics. I hope to solicit open discourse without attacking people, just giving sound doctrine and seriously hoping to find a woman that genuinely wants to embrace her design and be an actual helper that is suitable for a man.
"Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife."
"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house."
"It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman."
"A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike. Whosoever hideth her hideth the wind, and the ointment of his right hand, which bewrayeth itself."
I would take it another step further by giving fathers control over their daughters in a similar fashion and give him exclusive right to choose her husband. The problem with that is the daughter/potential wife will proclaim there's no need for a contract because she can be trusted to stand by her word 100%.
Except we all know how useless their words are after seeing how most of them ignored their marriage vows which was a sworn contract made before God.
The problem with giving the fathers actual headship of the children goes into the legal system, once again. The state claims ownership of all children that have a certificate of live birth and we see them exercise that when they kidnap children because the parent uses corporal punishment as well as a wide variety of subjective things that the state deems to be abusive or neglectful and to top it off, the state will give the wife the authority over the man's children! Women are in denial that they were made to bear the seed of man and that the children belong to the man. Think about when God called Abe to offer up Issac... can you imagine the prison time he would face in western culture for attempted manslaughter or child endangerment, abuse, etc? Or if the decision of what to do with Isaac was left to Sarah? But Sarah called her husband lord because he was her lord. I met a woman that claimed the faith of Jesus Christ but said "I'll never call any man lord." 🤦♂️ I'm like "which Bible are you reading, the Satanic Bible?"
Do you think it would be any easier to have women sign a contract that in the end wouldn't be allowed to be enforced? I can imagine Lawyers, feminist and demoncrats getting involved when women start complaining when they are expected to obey their husbands because of a contract they will claim was signed under duress.
I think that as long as a skilful attorney were to set up the agreement and that it were signed by a judge, it would have more weight than the presumed authority that axfather has over his own children in the legal system. But here's the thing, if she wants to depart, let her depart. It's not to hold her against her will; its to have power to make the decisions of the home without contention and also to prevent her from having any legal entitlement to the man's estate. I'm throwing an idea out there. I don't know if it's ever been done, but I do know that the state forces us to forfeit our constitutional "rights" if we want to drive, hunt, fish, trap, captain a watercraft, use electronic devices ("through the third party doctrine") and other things, so if we're able to give up those basic "rights" under duress then why wouldn't it be valid if a woman signed over the authority of herself to her husband, willfully and not under duress?
I don't know. I'm just trying to think of a way that a woman can tangibly show her faith in God and loyalty to her head.
How does the legal guardianship differ from a prenuptial agreement?
As far as a Father having power over his daughter he legally has that now although it's been chipped away at by unruly mothers and feminism. The reality is men gaining back any power whether they be Fathers or Husbands is largely going to be controlled by government and the men in it. So until we rid men from the places of power that don't even have their own best interest at heart not much will get done for the better to relationships.
I pray that all men would understand that despite women being highly intelligent they still need to be protected from themselves because what hurts them also hurts us.
You write: "This is something I've pondered, having recognized that the godless culture and society is stacked against men as being the head of the wife."
You are correct in saying that!
In the Bible, women were regarded as property of the man. Wives were the property of their husband. Now days, men no longer own their wives.
Often in the Bible, a man paid a "bride price" for a virgin and she became his.
The governments do not well follow the Bible.
No one goes by the Bible anymore.
The governments even while they say "Freedom of Religion" by their policies, they in many ways interfere with the free exercise of religion and in many ways prevent the free exercise of religion. They intrude in marriage and intrude in family. And they don't follow the Bible at all.
Interesting idea "Legal Guardianship". Sounds like making a man "THE POWER OF ATTORNEY".
It would save many families from financial ruin, and it would cause other families to go into financial ruin.
Congress is to have "the power of the purse" and what you propose would give the man "the power of the purse" and other decision powers. It is the way I think it should be, but the nation will not follow. Roots go too deep with these contrary ideas. Government empowers women against men. It is unlikely that that is going to change. It is too embedded in society now. It permeates society. Now the wise males don't marry. But a "Legal Guardian" is an interesting approach in a way that deviates from marriage license and certificate of marriage. A contract that instead is "POWER OF ATTORNEY" and "CONTRACTED MANAGER". An interesting thing that would be! Better than marriage!
I'd like a list of those countries where men have the right. Where women are not allowed to decide.
If I was a girl, I would never want to sign such a document; and in being a father, I'd never want my daughter to sign such a document. It is too slanted.
The Bible says to let your yes be yes and your no be no. Anything else is of the evil one. (Matthew 5:37 and James 5:12)
The Proverbs 31:10-31 woman considers a field and buys it. She is a good investor. Her husband is proud of her. People praise her.
Married couples should not be involving others against another. It is one of the reasons that it is good not to marry. But there has got to be something that is better than a marriage license where there are agreed terms.
It's always comforting to communicate with others that have understanding and do not try to wrest God's words to conform them to wicked, post modern ideologies. Marriage licensing wth the state is a reprehensible thing. We are certainly NOT living in a nation that serves God and the only "blessing" I see from God is that he has given this nation over to the evil it deserves, which is just.
Yes, the woman was made for the man and is the property of her father until a suitable man buys her. There are a few variations in history of how those agreements would transpire. I'm not even sure that a legal guardianship, written by an attorney and signed by a judge would give the man the full authority over his wife that God ordained, but half of the "Christian" women over 40 are divorced and remarried so there's a greater chance of a woman that claims the faith of Jesus, to end the marriage.
As far as countries go, you can Google "Which countries restrict woman's rights" 🤣..... You have to know their language 😂 The UN lists 31 countries and 17 being the "most oppressive." Which, by default, would indicate that they are more inline with traditional patriarchal family units. Not that they're truly "oppresive," but that they restrict their decisions to the patriarch. I met a lovely woman from Africa that said that Zimbabwe (and another local country) restricted women's ability to get BCPs or getting their tubes tied, to having signed consent from her husband, father, brother or uncle. That's literally the order of authority that God ordained.
Zimbabwe is also one of many African countries that have laws against homosexuality and doesn't recognize the tranny bovine scat.
I don't think that any man should abuse his authority over his wife, but accept it as a sobering responsibility with the fear of the Lord and care for the things of this world, how he may please her, as it is written. Men of God would be foolish to marry an American woman through the marriage licensing. The system is set up to exalt evil and suppress righteousness.
Not all American women reject and rebel against their design and purpose. It's only 99.99999% of them that make the rest look bad.
One good thing about having biblical values in marriage in the United States is that it narrows down the candidates for a spouse; which is also a "not so" good thing because it is not good that a man should be alone. Yet it is better to be alone with quietness and peace than to have a cuntentios and rebellious wife which turns the home into a war zone.
I've seen feminists in here saying that they can see why masculine saints of God are still single. Well, duh... we don't want to be bound to an odious, rebellious, cuntentious and foolish woman which will destroy our lives.
And if by chance those ones are lurking, this is for you: You should stop cuntending against your Maker and stop arguing against God's words. You do not know the Lord ans you're only fooling yourself with your emotional investments. You know very truly that you do not hear the voice of God. You're only identifying yourself as a woman of faith. Maybe you want to think that you're saved, or maybe you're intentionally here to strive against God, but Jesus Christ, himself shall say unto you "Depart from me, I never knew you, " unless you repent. You can find mercy. You must first call evil, evil and call good, good and confess your sins with sorrow and contrition. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we justify our sins, we forsake our own mercy and are condemned of God and are the children of disobedience.